What Is It MTTB + MOBE?
My Online Business Empire is a course that is supposed to teach people how to make a full-time income from the internet though MLM. Basically, you are signing up to resell the MOBE and MTTB course, as is typical with network marketing.
The Products:
There are 4 main products.
- My Top Tier Business ($49/month)
- MOBE Licensing Rights ($1,997 upfront and $99/month)
- Titanium Mastermind ($8,997 upfront and $199/month)
- Platinum Mastermind ($14,997 upfront and $299/month)
TOTAL COST: $25,000
You read that right! The most expensive membership, called Platinum Mastermind, costs $15,000 upfront and an additional $300/month. Granted, it does provide a lot of valuable information along with that, but you have to ask yourself – what else could I get for $15k? For a full breakdown of the costs, we are not going to look on the sales page because that would be too honest for this type of marketer!
We need to look at the compensation plan for affiliates where the high cost of coaching and hundreds in recurring fees is used as bait to get people promoting. Don't forget, in order to make that $15k commission you need to own the $15k product, which is very common in MLM companies as an incentive to get YOU to buy more even though you're trying to sell.
What Are You Doing?
The funny thing is that from what I can tell, it's a typical “build an email list” type offer. Build a list, promote make money products. Haven't I heard this somewhere before?
Update: Recently, Someone has also been trying to sell MOBE and MTTB under a product name called Done For You Profit System. This seems to be nothing but a domain that redirects these products. I don't know if it's an affiliate or Lloyd himself.
Short Review:
Remember that purchasing a membership does not automatically entitle you to thousands of dollars in income each month. In fact, it might be a considerable amount of time before you earn your first dollar – just like any other business.
In my opinion, the people that buy into MOBE are the ones that don't want to think too much about how they spend their money. They just want guaranteed results. High ticket products like this count on people's mentality of “If it's THAT expensive, it MUST get some good results”.
But are there any guarantees? Apparently there are some listed on the site, but talk to anyone that really tried to get one and they'll tell a different story:
1. You need to go through each of the 21 steps on the day it’s assigned to you.
2. If you skip a step, or do a step out of order you forfeit the guarantee.
Before You Buy:
It can be easy to blow threw a lifetime of savings in just a few clicks. Before you do, know that this is a controversial program. I receive a lot of criticism for my reviews because after a negative review I always offer a positive alternative. So before you go down that road, read the nasty comments about MTTB on the Warrior Forum (since the original publishing, the format of WF has changed and many comments were removed from that thread. Here's a new one), and slightly more positive comments about MOBE and MTTB here.
Here are a few highlights
- You have to purchase the products to promote them.
- You'll be required to travel to different seminars.
- The training teaches people how to promote MOBE products.
- The products are all high-ticket.
- Expect to be marketed to. Nothing is free. There will be upsells.
What I Liked:
You can make a ton of money from this program…if you can sell it. $15k is a hard sell, but if you can sell just 4 memberships a year that's a full time income in my book. I don't deny the profit potential of something like this, especially if you already have a list of interested parties.
- 90% commission rates for some levels of membership
- Matt personally drops into the forums on a regular basis.
- You can interact with other members.
- There are a lot of different products to sell.
What I Didn't Like:
The idea of creating an online business attracts a wide range of people. Some people are looking for location independence. Some people want to spend more time at home with kids. Some people want to be their own bosses. But I can guarantee you that most people who want to make an online business don't have cash to invest in an expensive high ticket product such as My Online Business Empire.
The products I promote here on One More Cup of Coffee are rarely more than $50/month or a few hundred bucks for a one time fee and people moan about that. Many people call me a scam artist because I don't offer everything for free. How many people are you going to find that have $15k to burn, and will believe Y-O-U, a person who is currently not making money online, that this is their ticket to wealth?
Probably not a lot.
Customer Complaints
There will always be disgruntled customers, so I try to take complaints with a grain of salt. However, when you are charging people thousands of dollars they are going to expect nothing but top notch customer service and results. Take a look at the complaints in the comment section here from REAL buyers. Here's one with a play-by-play breakdown of trying to get access to products he already purchased
Think you can sign up to try it, then get a refund? Maybe not. There have been many complaints from members who requested a refund but they either never received their refund or it took a few months to process. In fact, here's Lloyds response to some of the criticism he's received about his product
If you are going to be charging people this much money, use a little tact bro. This is typical guru behavior, ie mad because customers are unhappy that his product didn't deliver on the ridiculous marketing put together to increase clicks instead of be up front and honest about what potential members are spending their money on.
Do I rant? Yeah. But my blog is free.
Final Review:
No, I haven't purchased MOBE or MTTB, but I know enough about researching products in Google to see that there are a lot of unhappy customers. Maybe they truly are just complainers, but now that you know that your initial $50 purchase will put you in line to get upsold over $10k in other products with sketchy details on refunds and an unresponsive owner that tends to rant at unsatisfied customers…are you willing to put your money into this product?
If you have experience with MOBE please share your opinion below.
Relevant Reading:
- https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/06/ftc-action-halts-mobe-massive-internet-business-coaching-scheme
- https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2018/06/ftc-alleges-mobe-tells-whale-tale-misleading-money-making
- https://ethanvanderbuilt.com/2018/06/10/mobe-scam-goes-dark-in-the-shadow-of-the-ftc/
- http://behindmlm.com/companies/mobe-shut-down-by-the-ftc/
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Nathaniel,
I have been a MOBE member since June 2014 and I have nothing but good things to say. I went ahead and paid the MOBE licensing because I realized the value of what they were offering. I did have success selling MOBE products as well as selling products outside of MOBE.
How can you comment on something you’ve never purchased or never been a part of? You sound like the average online marketers bashing MOBE without providing FACTS! Here’s a fact, MOBE is not for everyone. I’ve been making money online since 2005 with EBay, Affiliate Marketing and more… The problem with over 90% of people who are looking to make a living online are seeking for the get rich overnight without putting hard work into it. That doesn’t work! To make money, you have to spend money and more than your average B.S. $37 make money product you find on jvzoo or click bank. If you talked to highly successful rich people like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos etc….. They would all agree on and that it takes continuous non-stop hard work, financial investment, education etc…. in order to be rich. MOBE teaches everything you need to be a successful online entrepreneur. As far as I’m concerned, your post is irrelevant and you are not credible to believe.
I literally said I haven’t bought the product and just offered my opinion based on what I read online, PLUS, I put links to positive reviews. I think you need to chill out.
How can you say what Bill Gates and Steve Jobs would say in this situation when you haven’t talked to them personally? Huh? Does that make your comment irrelevant and not credible?
I’m glad to hear you had a positive experience, but saying I’m “not credible” because I think something is too expensive doesn’t make sense. I could easily discredit you by saying you’re a shill, or saying you are trying to convince yourself since you paid 25 grand or whatever it costs.
I just put this post up to offer an opinion, my own perspective, and folks can decide for themselves. That’s also why I’m approving your rather rude comment, so I’m not accused of censorship or bias.
Well, I believe it’s a selling a dream product and because you have to be platinum to sell platinum and they do have many videos telling you how great the life it is for the people who are doing it. It’s a brilliant idea, however, ask yourself this question: are you just born to scheme others or are you born with some purpose? the course isn’t teaching you how to sell YOUR OWN information product but to sell a membership and spend money socializing and capitalize on dreamers. Basically, the way we make money online is a list – this is obvious. So just start to create your own product and start small. Keep selling it on the warrior forum or your own traffic source and start to build the list. Since it’s your list so it’s something you are passionate about. I would suggest starting a list on something you are passionate about.
You never seem to review anything completely. It’s always a very vague overview. If you really reviewed MOBE you’d know they sell memberships to nothing. So why not point that out? There is nothing tangible nothing of value.
I didn’t buy this product so can only give an overview of what I found online.
I actually went to one of the best business schools in the world and I am very impressed with the $49 intro course. Just the book recommendations and insights into stages of operating a business are probably worth that amount, given what he presents. I was skeptical but I am signing up for the first two courses and am thinking I’ll just do the whole thing.
MOBE IS A PONZI SCHEME. THE TOP PLAYERS WILL END UP IN PRISON
I had signed-up for your Affiliate Marketing course at the Aug 9th event in McLean, VA. I was told I could cancel the agreement if I called prior to the end of three business days. I cancelled by Contacting the number & email on the contract.
I later received calls from the company asking what I thought about the seminar. I told the representative that I had cancelled by calling & emailing the numbers given. I was told to call again. I stated I had already done that.
I was called prior to the class & asked about the rest of the money & if I would be attending the class. I stated I called prior about cancelling & wanted a refund. I was given the support email & no help.
I have contacted the support email & an look in at starting a class-action suit. Mobe was informed numerous times before they cashed my check I legitimately cancelled & took the money anyway. I am sure I am not the only one scammed. I plan on getting together others that are in the same situation. If you are please contact me above. I am DeDe Mandrell & I am a Disabled Veteran & don’t need this aggravation.
I found out I had been signed up for 21 Steps without my approval. I asked for a refund & was denied even though I followed the steps on the invoice – as shown & told I could do at the seminar. I was totally ripped off since I didn’t give permission & was miss informed.
YEA ” WRITE ” BCUZ ,
THIZ ” BIZNESS ” CAREER ,
IS NOT 4U ? BCUZ U DONOT ,
KNOW HOW TO BE A SALESMAN
Guess you couldn’t handle the truth about MOBE so you took my post down, figures. Can’t handle the competition and I laced out exactly how MOBE is the ONLY vehicle out there if you want to make money. Bet you’re a scam like you TRIED to make MOBE look. What a coward
LH
I guess you couldn’t wait more than 24 hours for me to approve the comment. Yeesh. Calm down.
Hi,
I am new to MOBE and am still doing the 21 step program. I haven’t paid for the platinum and titanium programs yet and it is possible that I never do it, because I still don’t know whether I will like to work with MOBE or not. I just want to improve my online marketing knowledge for now.
However, I am eligible to share my opinion about a few of the things I have experienced with MOBE so far. I am an experienced business consultant and investor. So I know how to evaluate a company and its services.
1. The first time I tried to sign up for 21 step program, I made a mistake and placed my order on the wrong product. Then I made another mistake and placed the same order for the second time. So I was charged twice based on my own mistake. I opened a support ticket with the MOBE’s help desk and asked to refund both payments. They did it immediately. Even the company who handles the credit cards transactions (gpndata.com) called and talked to me in person and assured me that my money would be refunded without any problem. The money hit my visa card account almost the next day or so.
Therefore, those who say that their money was not refunded and the MOBE help desk didn’t help them properly, cannot be true.
2. I got my personal coach right when I signed up for the 21 step program and she is helping me constantly. She has her own team and they created a group on the Skype just to keep in touch with me and having my takeaways shared with the team to support me better.
3. I am so happy with the modules and training videos so far and I have learned a lot.
In general, so far so good 🙂
I agree with you. I am on training with MOBE as well. So far I am so happy with all the services I receive. Coaches are professional, all the products are well prepared for affiliates there is no more job for you to do except from finding your target audience. No one has pushed me to sell anything yet.
If I learn enough to do what is right. I am confident it will take me to my goal. I have been surrounded by the ads of making money online for 6 years as I really wanted to start at some point since 2011.I chose MOBE finally because I think they are delivering a decent program , a proven system that we can rely on.
I will keep sharing my views with you guys.
Hi, I must say that I’m a new member to the MOBE family, I don’t know these other people who are giving you there negitive information, nor I don’t know the two who have given you their piece of mind. All I can say is I started in March, I put the effort, and I got immediate results, yes there is a monthly bill, but in all business people pay bills in a brick and mortar store, people pay bills for anything to pleasure. MOBE is a great cotmpany. I’ll give you some information about myself. I was unemployed, devorce and things were not looking good for me when I had to pay my rent. But I found MOBE and I truly believe that this will work for me because when you have not eaten for 4 days, just water, you will get desperate you will do anything for food and shelter. Well fast forwarding through the hardships, I made it!!!! Yes there is money in evolved, I had to find odd jobs, but I did it :))) now I am very happy with my life. But I will never forget that MOBE was there when I really needed to live the dot com dream. Those that never suffer or put effort will always complain,will always find an excuse. I didint have a computer. I whent to the library to work on my internet business. Alexander the great once said “fortune favors the bold,” I’m living proof of that. My name is Gabriel covarrubias, military army veteran (Afghanistan, Iraq). And I tell you that this works for people who are not lazy. my motto:You either keep on dieing or keep on living. And I decided to live:)))
Since you purchased the product Gabriel, I have a big question for you – How did you make money? Were you promoting MOBE, or were you selling something else? You said you were “successful”, but successful in what?
I have just signed up with MOBE and have the licensing rights. I have never done any business online but I am truly excited about this opportunity. I have thoroughly researched this and find it to be everything that was promoted to me. I am going through the 21 steps and was so sold on this that I got licensed after the 4th step. I get regular coaching calls and plan to make enough money to become Titanium and Platinum partners. I will let you know in a few months how I am doing. Wish me luck
Good luck with your venture Debby! Just keep an eye out on how much you are spending, and what you are marketing to your signups. If you are marketing the MOBE system, and your signups are marketing the MOBE system, etc and so on, then that may be sign of trouble! Things can get pretty expensive, pretty quickly.
But come back when you have a chance and let us know how things went.
So how is it going as i’m at the step where you attend the business plan webinar.
Hi, I see that, unlike most so-called MOBE reviews, you’ve really tried to be even handed here. Which is why I think this review deserves a response whereas most of them are ignored by MOBE members.
First of all those people not in MOBE tend to think it is some sneaky, underhand way to drag more and more money out of people.
This isn’t true. Once you’ve gone through the 21 steps affiliate training (which is designed for people who haven’t a clue about affiliate marketing) you have two choices:
1. Ask for a refund because you’ve realised this is not for you
2. Become an affiliate for MOBE
Since your review the process for refunds is much simpler – you just request it through a ticket at the support desk. I know it works because I’ve seen people do it. Your user (above) who tried complaining to Matt Lloyd didn’t get anywhere because he’s trying to get hold of the CEO of the company. If you wanted a refund on a bag you bought from Macys, would you try and get it through the CEO? Of course not.
Now you want to become an affiliate for MOBE you can simply sign up for a small entry fee to do so. This gives you 90% commissions on MTTB (the front end training).
You also are given the option to license the full sales funnel in MOBE which enable you to promote a variety of training offers, webinars, autoresponder emails and so on. This is the Licensing Rights you referred to. Remember, you’re licensing a DFY sales funnel here. I’m currently paying $297 a month to Clickfunnels to use their software so, actually, the MOBE license rights is a pretty good deal considering you get to use their complete system and it’s all done for you including using their sales team to close sales for you.
If you want to go further and earn higher commissions from the MOBE advanced training programs then you can upgrade to a higher level (the Titanium and Platinum you refer to). There are several benefits to this (besides the commissions). One is that you’ll go through the advanced affiliate training necessary to take your online business to a new level. The other is that you’ll attend a Mastermind – up to 7 days at a (paid for) luxury resort where you’ll meet and mix with marketers like yourself and get to know authority figures in the Internet Marketing world like John Chow and Shaqir Hussyin (amongst others and, of course, Matt Lloyd as well). You’ll also have one-on-one training with your personal coach and, personally, I found this invaluable to sort out many of the problems I was having.
Now these Masterminds aren’t some whoop it up, look how brilliant our top earners are, promotion events like you might have seen at MLM get-togethers. This is serious training that can take you to advanced marketer levels if you put the work in and build relationships with people like yourself. Look on it as a luxury holiday with intense training mixed in if you’re worried about the cost.
Look, I’ve personally paid over $13,000 (before MOBE) to get coaching from other high level marketers. None of them offered the opportunities or the training that I’ve received in MOBE. Frankly I wish I’d known about it earlier.
Naturally it makes sense that you can only promote this higher level training as an affiliate if you’ve been through it yourself. Exactly the same as in Wealthy Affiliate, where you can only become an affiliate of WA if you’ve been through their training.
Now I know that WA also offers good training (I’m a member there too) but I have to say it’s not as intense and one on one as you get from the MOBE Masterminds.
So, there you have it from someone who has been there, done it and understands what it’s all about. I’ve been an online marketer for ten years and MOBE is the best way to earn high ticket commissions as an affiliate. I admit it isn’t for everybody, and is not a get rich quick scheme, but it is rewarding if you are prepared to put in the work and use the superb sales funnel system that you can license from Matt.
As far as I know, the only thing you can sell as a member of MOBE is the MOBE membership. Is that true? Or do they train you to actually sell other products? Yes, you can sell a “high ticket item”, but it’s just the same MOBE course you just bought…or am I mistaken?
If the point of joining is just to get others to join, it sounds a bit like a pyramid scheme. But perhaps I misunderstand the point of MOBE training.